hybrids

This guy has some cross breeds of BW's

Mark

http://stanritar.tripod.com/bobwhite-speckled.html

that link points to a Mexican Speckled Bobwhite by the way, not a hybrid Coturnix x Bobwhite. Just a different colour mutation. I have 3 of those in my aviary and very pretty they are too

I'm not sure I agree with suz and andy, If someone did show you a picture of this hybrid? How would you know it was a hybrid or not? No one has seen one right? So what basis of comparison is being used? Many hybrids only resmble one parent strongly, so again how would you even know what you were looking at? In my opinion the only proof is to try it and see, or do a dna test, and since such testing is betond my pricerange, I shall wait and see what my jap cpq pairing will bring. Ed

Sorry if that last post was a bit harsh. When I spoke to the afore mentioned gamebird farmer, he only knew I was looking for a smaller jap. I'm not sure that he is a scam artist. If he is, he's very bad at it, trying to sell me a bird he knew I would never be interested in! But I must add that all I bought from him was a dozen brown jap eggs, as they were a fair price. And quite honestly I will be doing weigh ins to verify the 5oz average he claimed. Its a crying shame there arent more quail fancier's in the US as opposed to gamebird farmer's. Perhaps some form of cohesive standards for size, color, etc. etc. would be more commonly used. As to the question of hybrids, if my hybrid pairing is indeed succesful (same genus after all ) I am so gonna dance all around the room! If not I shall work on making my own mini jap. Hopefully I'll get lucky and someone will import them someday!

QuailCrazyUSA wrote: If someone did show you a picture of this hybrid? How would you know it was a hybrid or not? ..... No one has seen one right? ..... Many hybrids only resmble one parent strongly, so again how would you even know what you were looking at? Ed

Mmmmmm ..... Don't think i agree with any off the above

No, I've never seen a picture of a BW x Jap hybrid which makes believe even more that they don't exist. I'm sure if anyone had developed such a thing the net & game forums would be full of information and photo's. Even then I wouldn't believe it without a published scientific paper to back it up which is the norm when registering a hybrid.

I've spent hours today searching from Quail hybrids from the book I mentioned earlier - and this is the only reference I can find so far linking the 2 species together ....

"A commercial hybrid was allegedly produced by crossing Grey Partridge with (unspecified) members of Colinus and Coturnix."

Many hybrids also resemble both parent, .... I was going to post pics of commonly known hybrids that resemble both parents, but for copyright reasons I'll post links (Good excuse to look at funny looking beasties )

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Suz

hi Ed,

The reason I say it's unlikely that Coturnix and Colinus (Bobwhites) are extremely unlikely is the lack of documented evidence. Both these species have been kept in captivity for a long time and they aren't exactly new to Science. Many breeders want to hybridise to combine features, so it's not from lack of trying.

There is a lot of documented evidence of other hybrids mainly to guinea fowl, pheasants and even between the new world quails. They aren't necessarily from the same genus either (our Linnaen classification system is arguably outdated and archaic given many advances in genetics). If hyridisation is possible it usually happens with great regularity. If it doesn't happen freely, then the offspring are usually very frail as they often have a rare genetic trait that enabled the cross to occur.

Anything is possible, whether it's probable is another matter.

Good luck with your experiments. If you manage to produce one, we definitely love to see the results.
Andy

p.s. many of us have been stung by egg selling scams, so forgive us if we're a bit sceptical

Its true Suz there are no pics, and I'm not sure if I believe in a BW jap hybrid. I dont think it's impossible either, I just think its never been so openly disscussed as it is nowadays so we cant really know yet in my opnion. Particularly in regards to the cross I'm attempting, they're in the same genus. As are many of the macaw's, ever see a hyacinth macaw, and military macaw? They look so unrelated in all but the most basic ways, just like the quail under discussion, and yet they are commonly hybridised and the offspring are fertile with either species. As are cockatoos. As are conures. I know these parrots do not belong to the genus coturnix, but they make me believe that some of the hybrids we are disscussing are possible. Ed

Galah cockatiel hybrid, awful video but there are some shots where you can see its no hoax. It clearly shows traits from both parents, it's feet and legs are what convinced me in the end, no tiel has legs that stout. And there are definitely quite a few more visible signs of both species: A blending of both color patterns(subtle), a crest intermediate between both parents, body feathering in general. Even size/build are intermediate between both parents. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Va82B64ow
And just listen to its voice! I was quite amazed to come across this. Ed