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Post by internet_nobody on Mon May 26, 2008 11:07 pm

I'm just interested to see what people use as an minimum or ideal breeding ratio, and whats the minimum amount of space they give the birds - i'm thinking useable space, so please subtract the space taken up by feeder + drinker (or state that you have ignored that Smile). I know a lot of people keep big breeding groups but it would still be interesting to see, since i'm really only just starting with directed breeding (before I wasn't too bothered about fertility - but now i'm trying the tux range project i'd like to ensure the birds have the right amount of room to happily breed etc). Since the only other quail keeper's set up i've seen is Nino's, and I was really impressed with the amount of room given to his "fancies" and bobs, I want to ensure i'm keeping up with the Jonses Wink

I keep japs in minimum breeding groups of 1:3, and my smallest cages for a quad are 1m x 50cm (and 50cm high), about 5.3 sq feet - they have trough feeders and 1L drinkers so thats about 4.5sq foot useable space. My largest group of 8 (2:6) are in a 4ft x 4ft covered run, with nesting box added on the size.
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Post by adamntitch on Tue May 27, 2008 12:43 am

av only the one breeding group (1.4) and cage is 4 foot by 2 by 2 feeders and drinkers dont take up room as there on the out side with holes cut for them to reach the food and water

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Post by lukeelliot on Tue May 27, 2008 1:05 am

Ive always kept mine at a 3-1 ratio, in a 4ft by 1.5ft hutch and my hatch rate is always over always a 80%.

Im quite lucky in this part of the world though as quails are quite common with the new jamie oliver movement (your own eggs) even the local pet shop is now selling quail pellets.

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Post by lukeelliot on Tue May 27, 2008 1:08 am

my hatch rate is 80% most of the time is what i ment to say

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Post by Mark on Tue May 27, 2008 1:37 am

I use a Breeding Pen designed for quail. The floor is sloped to allow eggs to roll out and be collected. The feeders and waters are placed on the outside of the pen. My ratio for those are 1 male to 2 females.

I have seen a colony breeder setup cant remember the size, but the ratio of birds was 5 males to 20 females.

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Post by Suz on Tue May 27, 2008 10:37 am

I got my hubby to do some sums for me last night ....

Average usable space per Jap (all housing/birds added together) 0.857 sq feet. Colony breeding system.

Bobs usable space - covey breeding system average ratio 1:1 - 5.5 sq feet per bird not including perches & roofs ..... but share with 12 mini silkies & a rabbit.

New bob space Sad still sharing with silkies & rabbit and now male heavy - 13.74 sq feet per bob, yet the all like to sit on a 5' log handing from the roof Rolling Eyes

New Aviary's - planning of keeping 9 cali's together in one of them (2 males:1 female) - 20.55 sq feet per bird, (not included perches & shelves), still undecided about 2nd aviary

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Post by rohraen on Tue May 27, 2008 10:53 am

does anyone know the legal minimum space requirement for each size of bird?

just wondered with the new animal welfare laws now in force!
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Post by Ironsun on Tue May 27, 2008 12:59 pm

Hi,

The legal minimum cage size per bird is 160cm².

I keep my birds in both sheds and cages. The sheds I use are 8' X 6' (approx) giving me 48ft². I generally keep 32 breeding birds in there.

My cages are 4ft x 2ft X15in giving a floor space of 8ft² I keep one male and 5 females.

I also have a "fattening" shed I rear my males in, it's 6' x 4' and I just keep all the males from one hatch in this, it could be 10 or it could be 40. It's not a great deal of space, but in intensive broiler houses, meat chickens are kept 17 birds or 34kg per meter², even free range chickens are 11 birds per m².

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Post by Harrie on Tue May 27, 2008 3:33 pm

My hutches are approx 7' x 2' and at the moment I have 1:4/5. I can split these in half and would then stock them at 1:3 short term only.

In my aviary I have 4:12 and they have the aviary space of 6' x 9' and a hutch of 7' x 2'. With this much space I have added quail with very few problems several times.
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Post by Mark on Tue May 27, 2008 7:48 pm

rohraen wrote:does anyone know the legal minimum space requirement for each size of bird?

just wondered with the new animal welfare laws now in force!

I was just curious what the rule is and is there a link to a site I could read about it.

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Post by internet_nobody on Tue May 27, 2008 9:09 pm

I'm not sure if the AWA actually defines cage sizes...

But there are the 5 things it says:

1. For a suitable environment (place to live)
2. For a suitable diet
3. To exhibit normal behaviour patterns
4. To be housed with, or apart from, other animals (if applicable)
5. To be protected from pain, injury, suffering and disease
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Post by Mark on Wed May 28, 2008 9:03 am

I was reading the AWA site information to me it seems like some one will come to your place and check on your birds and housing. I know here in Missouri a Conservation Agent shows up to your place and checks out your setup when you initially sign up for a Bobwhite Permit, after that they hardly come around and check.

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Post by andoy on Wed May 28, 2008 10:51 am

excuse my ignorance, but what is AWA?

I googled it and could only find things like American Wrestling Association and Anarchist Workers Association Razz

I can only presume it's to do with Animal Welfare of some sort?
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Post by rohraen on Wed May 28, 2008 11:17 am

i just wondered,

as with the rabbits cages are supposed to be tall enough for bunny to stand on its hind legs, and be long enough to able to make three hops, they must have natural light, natural diet, and access to exercise/vet care/ plus hay and water at all times.

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Post by Mark on Wed May 28, 2008 9:21 pm

Its the Animal Welfare Act

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