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Post by QuailCrazyUSA on Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:35 am

Perhaps this question should be in the daft questions section Embarassed Is this chick a hen or a roo? Details:4 week old jap split to Ginger and Golden http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=6&u=12830744 http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=7&u=12830744
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Post by QuailCrazyUSA on Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:33 am

For sure a roo, just found out thanks anyway. Ed
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Post by andoy on Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:29 am

hi Ed, yes it is def a cock. On another note, it can't be split with Gold. Gold is a dominant trait and a bird with one copy of gold will be gold. I don't know how ginger breeds as I'm not sure what exactly is ginger (if it is just a single trait or combination) do you have a pic of what you are calling ginger?
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Post by QuailCrazyUSA on Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:36 am

No Andy I dont have a pic of the Ginger and I guess I meant a lighter shade of ginger? Not actually gold, sorry for the confusion. Ed
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Post by andoy on Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:51 am

That cock is a standard wild type colour. The copper colour on his chest is normal. He may be carrying a recessive trait, but you can only know that if you know one of his parents has that trait or if he produces ofspring with that trait ;o)

We are trying to establish standards for calling different colour traits and how they breed (dominant, recessive, incompletely dominant and sex-linked). Without a consistent vocabulary, we end up talking apples and pears and go around in circles.
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Post by QuailCrazyUSA on Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:00 am

Sorry again about the misnaming of the mutation, it drives me batty as its done constantly here in the states. I know he is split to ginger as the breeder sold the eggs that way. As he has an excellent reputation, I tend to believe it. Also I did correspond with another person who purchased these eggs, and he hatched out several shades of ginger from them. I did not see pics of these birds just going by the description I was given. Ed
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Post by andoy on Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:10 am

Well if you do find a pic of ginger, post it up. I have some ranges that lack the dark markings that have hatched quite
bright ginger, but have grown into a darker more muted colour. Unfortunately, they haven't been laying so I havenít been able to breed from them.
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Post by QuailCrazyUSA on Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:17 am

The pics the seller showed were of birds about the shade of a nice orangey tabby cat. I believe I saw something very similar on the quails from wales site. I am trying to do a replacement order with the seller as there were some broken eggs in my order. He usually does this for the cost of shipping. Of course I will post the chick pics as soon as they hatch and color up. Ed
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Post by QuailCrazyUSA on Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:32 am

Another pet peeve of mine is that there is no standard for size in the states. There are so many names in regard to size its overwhelming, one persons normal is another persons jumbo. Theres xld1 theres jumbo etc. etc. etc. And beware if they just say "brown coturnix" it may be a 5oz bird or a 16oz bird! Why in the world cant everyone agree on one name for each size or color? I do appreciate that everyone here is making an attempt at standardization. Thanks for the correction Andy. Ed
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Post by andoy on Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:23 pm

Well people will do anything to hype up their product Razz

I guess colour is in the eye of the beholder and I guess most people don't understand the different types of inheritance. I'm not a geneticist either, my background in breeding and genetics is based on breeding budgies in my youth.

I always take advertised sizes with a pinch of salt. Size depends on many factors (inherited and environmental). They are living creatures after all and not products coming out of a production line Very Happy
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