English White?

I am getting several English White eggs soon, from the sellers description what he is calling an English White looks like this: http://www.quailsfromwales.org.uk/JapaneseMutations/IMAG046A.JPG
Is this accurate? I rather like them all the same, was just wondering. Ed

We just call them white Japs over here ... I've been breeding the colour spots out of mine, to make pure white birds. I was pleased when Derek said he hatched some all white birds from my eggs, we had a laugh when he told me he wants to breed the colour back into them lol.

perhaps yours are Scottish whites Suz?

It's funny how different colours/breeds get a different Nationality/locality tag that doesn't seem to have any relevance/correlation at all. Italians for the golds. I've heard of Spanish quail, but not sure what that is. Perhaps the silvers could be called Scottish (as in Sterling), range could called Welsh, fawn could be called Irish (firey red heads), and the 3 legged one that Emma has is Manx

Spanish Quail are red in colour a bit like my dark cinnamon range. Range colour are referred to as 'British Range' and I've seen them referred to something daft like 'Himalayan' on one American site. Actually they were refered to as 'Tibetan' coturnix !!! just went and checked lol.

I always wanted to know what "Spanish" was suppose to look like. "Himalayan" sounds so much more exotic. There is also another one being sold in the US called "Manchurian Yellow" (or is it "Manchurian Gold"), which looks like gold or perhaps what Derek calls "fawn gold" (but I've only seen blurred pics of "Manchurian").

Funny I'm possibly going to have some "Manchurian" in one of my orders. These are not the typical large (10-12oz) manchurian gold usually available in the US, possibly more like 6-7oz. Ed

The Golden Jap, Italian Quail, Speckled Quail, Manchurian Quail are some of the names referring to the same bird. It is a dominant mutation of the Japanese quail. The Golden coturnix were popularized in the USA during the early 1970's by Albert Marsh of California who introduced the breed as Manchurian Golden Quail, and come in both standard and jumbo sizes.

Wow your encyclopedic knowledge of quails is impressive Suz. Guess that's why you're the

Before I get all big headed I hope that wasn't sarcassim lol. I'm actually surprised by how much useless quaile info I've managed to retain from my researching stuff for the NQS

Thanks Suz,
You really are a quail encyclopedia! lol! Thanks for the info, I hadnt realised that the manchurian came any smaller than jumbo. Hopefully I will have 4 colors out of these 2 orders I'm about to recieve. Fawn, White, Manchurian, and regular brown. I'll be sure to post pics of the manchurian for you Andy, and hopefully not blurry! Was it hard to breed the color out of your whites Suz? Did it take many generations? I rather like them the way they are, but something about a pristine white bird seems so beautiful. Ed p.s. all the manchurians I have seen offered in the states are invaribly 14-16oz jumbo and are referred to as Manchurian Gold the ones I am getting are billed as just plain manchurians

Suz, that wasn't a sarcastic remark at all (despite my silly new avatar), I am seriously impressed. There seems to be so much misinformation out there about the different strains and colours. I though all that information was lost in obscurity.

I want to add your number to my "phone a friend" list when I go on that TV game show.

was just wondering, do the still make Mastermind .... Speciality Subject Quailie Trivia

Hi Suz,
Any info/tips from your magnificent quailie brain on breeding the color out of Whites would be wonderful, The only thing I can think of is to simply select the chicks with the least amount of color other than White each generation. Does that sound fairly on? And about how many generations was it till you began to see all white hatches? Ed

That's exactly what I'd been doing selecting the birds with the least coloured spots and breeding them together. My experiment stopped at F3's where they were producing on average 50% all white chicks & 50% fewer/small coloured patches.

So perhaps as many as 6-7 generations to 90-100% White?

Yup, they still do Mastermind, but not the same since the demise of Magnus Magnuson.

You might be able to find albino Japs. I know they do exist as they are used for animal and genetic testing. However most forms of albinism (lack of colour) are usually a recessive trait. I've read of a sex linked form of albinism in a Japanese strain (a quail strains kept in Japan that is).

Hola,
I have some English Whites, however they also seem to be known as Texan A&M, Texan whites and Giant whites as well.

Think Im going to stick to calling them English Whites

Mine are generally quite large and good layers, although i have not had any other type of Quail so i dont really know what bad laters are other than were pelased with ours

I'm sure Suz will chime in here, but texas A&M whites are not the same as english/regular whites. English or regular white http://www.strombergschickens.com/images/gamebirds/English._L.jpg
Texas A&M white http://www.strombergschickens.com/images/button_quail/TexasA&MQuail.jpg
As you can see, they're quite different in size and build. Ed

Texas A&M's

Fifteen years ago Experiment Station researchers and Extension poultry science specialists sought to improve the quail industry by genetically enhancing the blood lines of selected heavier meat birds. The resulting Texas A&M Gourmet Quail were developed by Extension specialists, including Fred Thornberry, who received several eggs from a Japanese quail producer. For 2 years and six generations, Thornberry’s birds were crossbred to eliminate carcass abnormalities and make them more uniform in size. These quail were genetically selected for large body size, conformation and increased meat yield at 6 to 7 weeks of age. With the goal of enhancing the quail for the gourmet industry, Thornberry was able to improve the birds’ breast musculature while maintaining their optimum egg production. More recently, Extension specialist Lee Cartwright crossed the recessive white gene into the improved line to yield a large-bodied Japanese quail without the unappealing pigmentation in the skin and internal membranes.

Encyclopedia Suz strikes again!

I wonder, is Nino (Welwyn Quails) the only one who has imported Texas A&M (normals and/or whites) into the UK?

I know he keeps his Texas A&M strains pure. He has several different aviaries with different bloodlines, so in theory you can keep a pure strain going from his bloodlines without inbreeding. Is anyone else keeping pure Texas A&M in the UK? I have a feeling most people cross them.

I've seen a few listings on eBay but I don't know if they all come from nino's lines. my A&M's hatched from Nino's eggs were released into my general population to give them a breast boost